Mom said…

I called her 29 March, and left a message, wanting answers about Grandma Nellie’s family

Questions I wanted answered:
1) Was Grandma Nellie the oldest sister? (Actually should have been, was Grandma Nellie the youngest sister; Molly is older, by eight years.)
2) Was Molly Mary A?
3) Did Molly come to Pasadena after her husband died?
4) Where did she (Molly) live before coming to California? Chicago?
5) Did her daughter marry?

When ME called back, we were on the dock, feeding the fish, and I didn't have Tail with me… Answers I got:
1) Forgot to ask…
2) Yes
3) As far as ME knows
4) Forgot to ask; did find out that the daughter had a daughter.

Notes from the conversation:

Ethel had a daughter about Pat & Joan’s age (therefore born about 1927 - 1929; born where? Pasadena?); Mom presumed Ethel was married, but her death certificate is in the name of Ethel LeFebvre. (She could have not changed her name when she married; maybe she wasn't married [certainly not out of character in her family]; I could have the wrong Ethel LeFebvre, but her birth year [1886] and place [Illinois] fit, and the CA Death Index at RootsWeb lists her mother's maiden name as Hefferma. The CA Death Index lists no SSN for her, although she is in the SSDI.)

Lizzie married a man named Murphy (I had down that he was Johnnie Murphy), had a son named Johnnie, two daughters, and five children altogether.

Grandma Nellie and the kids came to North Dakota after Mart died; they were there some years before they left for California in 1929 (Lyle and Mary Julia were married in 1924).

When Jack Brennan died in 1936, Grandma Julia and the kids went out to California to be with Grandma Nellie.

Uncle Bill was in and out and around during these years; he’d appear and hang around for a year or so, and then go away again. Grandma Nellie finally got him admitted to the VA hospital (Sawtelle) after the move out to CA in 1929 (she had a great struggle getting it done; the Army didn’t want to admit that his problems were related to his service in WWI); he was definitely there in 1936.